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Frummel |
20. RE: Jenny's Death (old director)
Sep 29 2008, 10:01 AM EDT
"Kate's death was unexpected.For 2 years Gibbs and Kate flirted a lot-remember his amused tolerance of her faults and ingorance of all things naval,that feeling that no matter what,he was always make shure she was OK , that sence that he is torn between professional respect and a chivalrous,old fashioned need to take care of her as well as the occasional urge to throttle her.It's clear that he liked her a lot. Jen,on the other hand,betrayed his trust in Paris, sent him a "Dear John "letter,didn't tell him that she didn't do her job in Paris and because of that put his life in danger,Considering that and more,Gibbs not trusting her makes a perfect sense .Gibbs didn't know Jen was either sick or threatened. For him, her death was equally unexpected. Gibbs didn't know Jenny didn't finish the job in Paris. He was convinced they left no loose ends. Gibbs turning down Jenny's offer to stay doesn't mean he doesn't love her anymore. One of my best friends is one of my ex-boyfriends. I love him with all of my heart. Doesn't mean I would want a relationship with him (again), I don't. He feels exactly the same about that. Its just an example, but loving someone is not the same as being in love with someone. To me loving someone means much more than a crush. Your point was that Gibbs grieved more about Kate than about Jenny and therefore he loved Kate more. I just don't think thats the right conclusion. I think Gibbs felt very guilty about Kates death. He was standing right next to her, she already took a bullet for him and then she was shot between the eyes. The scenes where Gibbs thinks about her are (in my opinion) filled with regret about his personal failure, because thats how he sees her death. He says "I'm sorry Kate,"'on her funeral? Jenny's death was completely out of his hands. Doesn't mean he's not as sad (or more) about her death as he was about Kate's death. When Mike said: "Girl cared for you. Had a lot of regrets" and Gibbs replies: "We all do." I don't know what he meant. But I didn't think he meant to say he didn't care for her anymore and that her regrets are just as normal as the regrets of all of us. . 2 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you? |
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21. RE: Jenny's Death (old director)
Sep 29 2008, 10:11 AM EDT
Kate's death was the more tragic, one because she was younger and two Ari killed her with the intention of hurting Gibbs, since he later shot the windows in Abby's lab.Having said that I think Gibbs grieves for the loss of any team member or member of NCIS for that matter, recalling the deaths of Chris Pacci and Paula Cassidy for example 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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22. RE: Jenny's Death (old director)
Sep 29 2008, 11:18 AM EDT
"EXACTLY what I said:"Gibbs loved her as someone he'd known for a long time-he didn't look at her like a lover.he wasn't in love with her anymore, but he still cared for her. "He still loved her,but is not in-love with her. I NEVER said that "Gibbs grieved more about Kate than about Jenny and therefore he loved Kate more."-I said he had a feelings for her and liked her a lot,but NEVER said he loved Kate more-that 2 different relationships.I compleatly agree with Sorgiña-Kate's death was more tragic,because Gibbs never saw it comming-maybe at the beginning he didn't know about Jen's illness,but if I remembe corectly,Ducky told him-he understand that Jen wanted to chose her own way to leave this life,and he understand her decision-in the case of Kate's death it was different-Kate didn't "request" to be killed by Ari.Gibbs looked at Jen's death like loss of the team member,who left this life by his choice-therefore we don't see flashbacks or more grieving-the same case was Chris Pacci and Paula Cassidy death for example-we didn't se any flashbaks there too. 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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23. RE: Jenny's Death (old director)
Sep 29 2008, 11:20 AM EDT
"Kate's death was the more tragic, one because she was younger and two Ari killed her with the intention of hurting Gibbs, since he later shot the windows in Abby's lab.Thanks-that was part of what I wanted to say-sometimes,because English is not my language,is difficult for me to express what I mean.:) 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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24. RE: Jenny's Death (old director)
Sep 29 2008, 3:09 PM EDT
"EXACTLY what I said:"Gibbs loved her as someone he'd known for a long time-he didn't look at her like a lover.he wasn't in love with her anymore, but he still cared for her. "He still loved her,but is not in-love with her.Well, in that case I completely misunderstood. I thought you meant by saying that Gibbs was 'not THAT sad about Jenny' that he cared less. I'm sorry, I may have jumped into conclusions. Do you find this valuable? |
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25. RE: Jenny's Death (old director)
Sep 29 2008, 3:28 PM EDT
"Well, in that case I completely misunderstood. I thought you meant by saying that Gibbs was 'not THAT sad about Jenny' that he cared less.I loved the parallel between you and your frien and Jen-I see their relationship exactly that way.I'm sorry if I was nasty or pushy.:)*hugs you* Do you find this valuable? |
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26. RE: Jenny's Death (old director)
Sep 29 2008, 9:42 PM EDT
"I loved the parallel between you and your frien and Jen-I see their relationship exactly that way.I'm sorry if I was nasty or pushy.:)*hugs you*"Oh thats sweet! But I certainly didn't think you were nasty. :) *hugs* I think the point made above that Kate's death was meant to hurt Gibbs sais a lot. Killing her obviously hurt him very much. Its sad, don't you think? Gibbs has lost a lot of women in his life and now he still hasn't anyone to grow old with. (Besides Mike :P Or Hollis Mann, but, I don't really know about her. The only way she was Gibbs' type was with her hair.) . Do you find this valuable? |
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27. RE: Jenny's Death (old director)
Sep 30 2008, 3:58 PM EDT
"On NCIS Special Ops forum someone wanted to name Gibbs' thread "Deadly for women"/he didn't meant anything bad ,of course/,but we decided that's not a good idea,because he really is.Strange that the women he loved/love,are dead.I suppose this is like a fate -he killed the killer of his family/that's something i understand,but don't approve/.You know. the Bible says "An eye for an eye"-he took a life of the killer,the fate took his happiness of the marrige/I don't see that like a fair game,since Gibbs married 3 times after Shanon-all failed,but still,I hope you got the point:)/ He wasn't ready to move on,in my opinion,althought he tryed-that's why his marriges didn't work.But Holli's leaving gave him the strength to move on-in "Requiem" I felt he was ready to leave the memory of Shanon and Kelly behind. Do you find this valuable? |
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28. RE: Jenny's Death (old director)
Oct 1 2008, 2:08 AM EDT
"On NCIS Special Ops forum someone wanted to name Gibbs' thread "Deadly for women"/he didn't meant anything bad ,of course/,but we decided that's not a good idea,because he really is.Strange that the women he loved/love,are dead.I suppose this is like a fate -he killed the killer of his family/that's something i understand,but don't approve/.You know. the Bible says "An eye for an eye"-he took a life of the killer,the fate took his happiness of the marrige/I don't see that like a fair game,since Gibbs married 3 times after Shanon-all failed,but still,I hope you got the point:)/I follow you. Fate has been hard on Gibbs. His mariages seem to fail because he doesn't open up anymore. There is so much to him now, he endured so much, it takes a very special woman to dig through the thick walls he build. All of his ex-wives failed. I felt like Jenny had at least a chance, but after she turned him down... I think he closed back up tight. Hollis Mann never had a real chance, if you ask me. But I was happy to see her go. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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29. RE: Jenny's Death (old director)
Oct 1 2008, 2:46 AM EDT
"She didn't have the chance,because Gibbs wasn't ready to move on-not because he didn't loved her.I found this fic a few days ago-explains why Hollis left perfectly.It's not written by the cannon ofthe show,but I like the way the the author see the things between them.:) http://www.fanfiction.net/s/4559520/1/ 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |