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Jenny's Death (old director)
Sep 21 2008, 8:53 PM EDT
Hi allI felt like posting a thread about the old director Jenny. I was soo Sad when the director died and she could of lived if it wasn't for the STUPID TEA!. also the new director i don't realy like because he took the directors body away before Gibbs saw her. NOW THAT WAS MEAN. any way all have a super day and ENJOY NCIS Your friend Alex 11 out of 16 found this valuable. Do you?
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MargyW |
1. RE: Jenny's Death (old director)
Sep 21 2008, 9:28 PM EDT
Gibbs didn't reach California until the day after the shooting. There is no way that a corpse could be left in sitsu until he arrived. Vance did the correct thing.Gibbs had the chance to view Jenny's body in autopsy. He couldn't do it. He turned and walked away. 3 out of 5 found this valuable. Do you? |
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2. RE: Jenny's Death (old director)
Sep 23 2008, 9:17 AM EDT
I was awfully sad when they killed Jenny, too.I couldn't believe it! I kept thinking, alright they're gonna kill someone. Maybe Michelle Lee? I honesly didnt think they'd kill of another main character. Guess that shows how wrong I was! =[ 2 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you? |
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3. RE: Jenny's Death (old director)
Sep 23 2008, 10:32 AM EDT
I'm glad that Jen is dead-at last we can have a new Director,who will not allow Gibbs to act the way he acted when Jen was the Director.I like Vance because he has a chance to be a match for Gibbs /something Jen could never be/, because of his position and because he has a strong personality.Vance and Gibbs know each other, but there is NO trust or respect between them. I'd like to find out a bit more about what the back story is there.
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4. RE: Jenny's Death (old director)
Sep 23 2008, 2:39 PM EDT
Gee, maybe Jenny isn't dead.. did we see the body?
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jessycardy |
5. RE: Jenny's Death (old director)
Sep 23 2008, 8:56 PM EDT
You're totally right, the way the whole thing was handled was just mean. I miss her very much too... And I hate that Vance guy who took her place.
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dani_g |
6. RE: Jenny's Death (old director)
Sep 28 2008, 12:21 PM EDT
"You're totally right, the way the whole thing was handled was just mean. I miss her very much too... And I hate that Vance guy who took her place."I don't think it was mean-Jen,even if didn't die in that ep.,was ill-her end was near.She chosed the way to die-something I admire,althought she didn't tell Gibbs-a man,who she loved,about the danger.She didn't die because of the tea-I know that some of the viewrs were surpised how Mike didn't hear the arrival of the car,but believe me-in the the desert is difficult to hear anything.Jen could've stope Mike and tell him not to go out,but she didn't. I agree with ncisislove-Vance is a GREAT addition to the show,and will e a better Director than Jen-he really is a match for Gibbs. 3 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
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7. RE: Jenny's Death (old director)
Sep 28 2008, 12:27 PM EDT
"Gee, maybe Jenny isn't dead.. did we see the body?"She is dead. Tony and Ziva found her, and he checked her pulse. 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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8. RE: Jenny's Death (old director)
Sep 28 2008, 2:33 PM EDT
"I don't think it was mean-Jen,even if didn't die in that ep.,was ill-her end was near.She chosed the way to die-something I admire,althought she didn't tell Gibbs-a man,who she loved,about the danger.She didn't die because of the tea-I know that some of the viewrs were surpised how Mike didn't hear the arrival of the car,but believe me-in the the desert is difficult to hear anything.Jen could've stope Mike and tell him not to go out,but she didn't.I agree on the fact that having her choose the way she was going to die gave her a lot of dignity, so that was good, but I do wonder about Mike's behaviour, and also about the team's reaction. I mean, the only one who showed some grief is Abby... Tony and Ziva seemed to be more sorry for Gibbs than anything else, although Gibbs didn't seem to mind that much... Now, I know characters have a strong personality which is really always highlighted, but it wouldn't have been so out of character to see some sort of reaction from Gibbs, but it just wasn't there. He even set her house on fire, even though he almost seems to wish he gets shot by that woman while he was there, which of course is an action that screams pain, but was barely noticeable. Season 6 also starts like nothing ever happened, which is just so wrong. There should have been something... a mention, a flashback, whatever, just something, but there was absolutely nothing. Also, on a side note, writers kinda fooled Jibbs fans, making it clear they were going a certain direction with the episode "Lost & Found" and then completely dropping it with Jenny's death. And we don't even have a last dialogue between the two: ironically enough, the last thing he ever told her (that we know of) is "long live the queen". This is basically what I mean when I say the way they handled her death was mean... 4 out of 6 found this valuable. Do you? |
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9. RE: Jenny's Death (old director)
Sep 28 2008, 2:44 PM EDT
"I don't think it was mean-Jen,even if didn't die in that ep.,was ill-her end was near.She chosed the way to die-something I admire,althought she didn't tell Gibbs-a man,who she loved,about the danger.She didn't die because of the tea-I know that some of the viewrs were surpised how Mike didn't hear the arrival of the car,but believe me-in the the desert is difficult to hear anything.Jen could've stope Mike and tell him not to go out,but she didn't.Indeed, she was ready to die. In more ways. She was sick and she knew she was going to die. And her character had lost its charm. Not that she wasn't charming, but Jenny's background was played out and she didn't really add anything to the team anymore, I thought. I was glad she was the one to go, instead of another teammember. Although I would have liked it if she told Gibbs. She never told him about her love and regret for him and she never told him she was sick. I would have liked it if she had left something like a letter, or a videomessage for him. . Do you find this valuable? |
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10. RE: Jenny's Death (old director)
Sep 28 2008, 3:19 PM EDT
""She is dead, Tony and Ziva found her..."Abbiefan!, I was so shocked.. I could not remember. I sat there is a stupor... I could not believe it, then as the summer past us bye, I couldn't remember. All I keep in my head is the scene in the diner with all the gunshot, blood and everyone's demeanor.. I was actually waiting to see how everyone took the news. So, thanks 1 out of 1 found this valuable. Do you? |
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11. RE: Jenny's Death (old director)
Sep 28 2008, 4:39 PM EDT
"I agree on the fact that having her choose the way she was going to die gave her a lot of dignity, so that was good, but I do wonder about Mike's behaviour, and also about the team's reaction. I mean, the only one who showed some grief is Abby... Tony and Ziva seemed to be more sorry for Gibbs than anything else, although Gibbs didn't seem to mind that much... Now, I know characters have a strong personality which is really always highlighted, but it wouldn't have been so out of character to see some sort of reaction from Gibbs, but it just wasn't there. He even set her house on fire, even though he almost seems to wish he gets shot by that woman while he was there, which of course is an action that screams pain, but was barely noticeable. Season 6 also starts like nothing ever happened, which is just so wrong. There should have been something... a mention, a flashback, whatever, just something, but there was absolutely nothing.Gibbs look at Jen like mix of a old frind and lover-that's why there were no so many moments about Jen,like about Kate.He was not THAT sad about her,because,althought he liked her,he didn't loved her-he cared for her like an old friend,and that's why we didn't saw more reaction from his side.Jen was gone willingly-kate was shoot unexpectedly.Jen was not THAT close to the team like Kate-I felt like writters put a dot with the last shooting sceneon her life-like they ...somehow made her a monument -the last shooting scene was the best monument for her-I don't think we need a flashbacks-we will remember Jen exactly because of the last scene-she was everything Jen was like a person-forceful and determenate.. In "Lost and Found " the writters,in my opinion ,didn't show us that Gibbs and Jen are getting closer-Gibbs said "No",remember?I don' think-if he still wanted her-he will said that.It was clear that h doesn't love her anymore-not with the same passion like before.Yes,he set her house on fire because he wanted to cover up her mistake in Paris,and the shooting in the diner-I think he acted resonable-I can't imagine what explanation the NCIS will give,if the journalists knew about the all operation in Paris. 3 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you? |
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12. RE: Jenny's Death (old director)
Sep 28 2008, 6:54 PM EDT
"Gibbs look at Jen like mix of a old frind and lover-that's why there were no so many moments about Jen,like about Kate.He was not THAT sad about her,because,althought he liked her,he didn't loved her-he cared for her like an old friend,and that's why we didn't saw more reaction from his side...."Er... so your saying Gibbs cared more for a women that was on his team for two years (Kate), than for his good old friend/ ex-lover Jenny? You know, the women he was once willing to share his life with, the women he protects and is worried about? The women he has a history with and would have trusted his life with since decades? Sorry, but that makes no sense. I think he loved her. (It was inevitable, so to speak) Its hard with Gibbs as a character to express emotion. Gibbs wants revenge over grief. But the moment he tried to open her bodybag- and couldn't... that was for me the moment that said Jenny was more than a friend. . 1 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
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13. RE: Jenny's Death (old director)
Sep 28 2008, 8:15 PM EDT
"Er... so your saying Gibbs cared more for a women that was on his team for two years (Kate), than for his good old friend/ ex-lover Jenny? You know, the women he was once willing to share his life with, the women he protects and is worried about? The women he has a history with and would have trusted his life with since decades?I can do nothing but agree with what you've just posted 100%... Yeah, the bodybag scene was the only one where we can clearly see Gibbs expressing a certain something... 2 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you? |
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14. RE: Jenny's Death (old director)
Sep 28 2008, 8:26 PM EDT
I think Gibbs wanted to remember Jenny as she was when he last saw her, not riddled with bullets.
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15. RE: Jenny's Death (old director)
Sep 29 2008, 7:48 AM EDT
"I think Gibbs wanted to remember Jenny as she was when he last saw her, not riddled with bullets."Your probably right, or maybe its both. But that moment he stands over her bodybag, laying his hand on her en then try to open the zipper, his mouth twists, his muscles get tight and it looked like it was just too much. And then he practically ran out of there. Maybe it would have been different if Ducky and Palmer weren't watching, I don't know. And indeed, there's barely expression besides the false calmness, the drive for revenge and the bodybagscene. What I also thought to see was how he suddenly didn't care as much for his own life anymore. The scene where Svetlana walks in and is about to kill him? He hasn't done anything to protect himself, he ever reminds her of her grief for the man he killed. When she is shot Mike walks in and sais something: "You were gonna go for that (gun), weren't you?" Gibbs doesn't answer. I would have liked the letter to be finished, or at least say more than 'Dear Jethro'. Even though the black lining around it gave a clue about what Jenny was about to write, I would have liked there to be more. But maybe the writers thought there was no need for that. . 2 out of 2 found this valuable. Do you? |
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16. RE: Jenny's Death (old director)
Sep 29 2008, 7:57 AM EDT
"Your probably right, or maybe its both.All this is just proof of a well written and produced series. It leaves us wanting more. Do you find this valuable? |
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17. RE: Jenny's Death (old director)
Sep 29 2008, 8:23 AM EDT
Kate's death was unexpected.For 2 years Gibbs and Kate flirted a lot-remember his amused tolerance of her faults and ingorance of all things naval,that feeling that no matter what,he was always make shure she was OK , that sence that he is torn between professional respect and a chivalrous,old fashioned need to take care of her as well as the occasional urge to throttle her.It's clear that he liked her a lot.Jen,on the other hand,betrayed his trust in Paris, sent him a "Dear John "letter,didn't tell him that she didn't do her job in Paris and because of that put his life in danger,Considering that and more,Gibbs not trusting her makes a perfect sense . If he loved her,then he express that in a very strange way-he said "No"in "Lost and Found"From what I saw on the ep.,most of the 'Jibbs' action seems to be on Jen's side. Gibbs was willing to renew their relationship at the beginning of S3, but Jen shot him down.Jen said in 'Jeopardy' that Gibbs sees her like a wife-an she meant it not in the pleasant way.In 'Lost and Found' their conversation at her home is very telling. Gibbs is not interested. When he tells her that she made her choice it sounds very final to me. I don't think he is a man that forgives easily.Gibbs don't trust people,who hurted him-no matter how he cared for them,and trust is the key for Gibbs in one relationship.Remember S3 and the conversation he had with Jen:G:" Trust is 2 ways,Jen",J:"What you are saying-you don't trust me?" ,G:"Of course I do"his face and tone of voice said 'You don't have all of my trust'.Gibbs loved her as someone he'd known for a long time-he didn't look at her like a lover.he wasn't in love with her anymore, but he still cared for her. I think that the whole Frog thing and her behavior may have erased any possibility of loving her anymore. 3 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Sep 29 2008, 8:34 AM EDT
"Er... so your saying Gibbs cared more for a women that was on his team for two years (Kate), than for his good old friend/ ex-lover Jenny? You know, the women he was once willing to share his life with, the women he protects and is worried about? The women he has a history with and would have trusted his life with since decades?Sorry for the double post-forgot to add that at the end of S5 Mike tried to propitiate Gibbs Mike:Girl cared for you.Had a lot of regrets. Gibbs:/cold/ We all do. it's clear that for Gibbs she made her choice and even if she was not dead,there is not going back. 3 out of 3 found this valuable. Do you? |
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Sep 29 2008, 9:07 AM EDT
"Gibbs loved her as someone he'd known for a long time-he didn't look at her like a lover.he wasn't in love with her anymore, but he still cared for her. I think that the whole Frog thing and her behavior may have erased any possibility of loving her anymore."Absolutely agreewith that-it will be natural for Gibbs,because ,like you said,he doesn't trust her,but still cared for her-he was part of his past.Their relationship was like flirting between old lovers,than a beginning of the new love . 4 out of 4 found this valuable. Do you? |