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le_bibliothecaire
le_bibliothecaire
120. RE: The Official/Unofficial Tiva Thread
Mar 13 2009, 6:04 PM EDT | Post edited: Mar 13 2009, 6:04 PM EDT
"Well, he might cheat with another trained killer lady. Tony must know where to find 'em by now."
You're assuming he'd cheat in the first place. We've seen Tony in *one* relationship the entire show and heard him mention many short-term relationships, but we've never once heard anything that suggests he dates someone and sees other people behind her back. We actually don't see much at all. Maybe he's a total playboy, maybe he's calmed down. Maybe it's a lot of talk either way. Maybe he doesn't date as many women as he suggests. Who knows for sure since we don't see that. Tony says a lot of stuff on the show that you don't know whether or not to take at face value. He doesn't give much away in terms of his past or personal life, not really.
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le_bibliothecaire
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121. RE: The Official/Unofficial Tiva Thread
Mar 13 2009, 6:11 PM EDT | Post edited: Mar 13 2009, 6:11 PM EDT
"My thought is if your fella screws around on you with another woman, he's the one who ought to face the punishment not the other woman.

In fact, best case scenario both women beat the crap out of him and then go have a mocha latter somewhere and talk bad about men in general for a couple of hours."
My thought is if my fella is screwing around behind my back with another woman and the other woman knows my fella has another woman, then the other woman is just as guilty as he is. If she knows he's in another relationship already, she's guilty, too.
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mewofford
122. RE: The Official/Unofficial Tiva Thread
Mar 13 2009, 7:09 PM EDT | Post edited: Mar 13 2009, 7:09 PM EDT
"You're assuming he'd cheat in the first place. We've seen Tony in *one* relationship the entire show and heard him mention many short-term relationships, but we've never once heard anything that suggests he dates someone and sees other people behind her back. We actually don't see much at all. Maybe he's a total playboy, maybe he's calmed down. Maybe it's a lot of talk either way. Maybe he doesn't date as many women as he suggests. Who knows for sure since we don't see that. Tony says a lot of stuff on the show that you don't know whether or not to take at face value. He doesn't give much away in terms of his past or personal life, not really."
I am thinking we might find out more about this at the end of the season. Shane Brennan did say a few weeks back that we would find out something about Tony's current love life on the upcoming episode and then more about his past during the final story arc for the season. Maybe at least why he's so afraid of commitment.

And don't forget, Tony himself, a couple of episodes ago, was wondering if the Melinda who called was the concession stand operator he met while his date went to the bathroom. And in Framed when Weatherly did that great scene in the cell where he was both prosecutor and defendant he says of himself that he has a problem with women and relationships.
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mewofford
123. RE: The Official/Unofficial Tiva Thread
Mar 13 2009, 7:12 PM EDT | Post edited: Mar 13 2009, 7:12 PM EDT
"My thought is if my fella is screwing around behind my back with another woman and the other woman knows my fella has another woman, then the other woman is just as guilty as he is. If she knows he's in another relationship already, she's guilty, too."
No, the other woman is not just as guilty. If the guy is in a committed relationship with you then he needs to keep his pants zipped no matter how tantalizing the bait offered is. That''s part of his commitment social contract.

She is guilty yes but she's not in the relationship with you. She has no commitment to you.
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le_bibliothecaire
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124. RE: The Official/Unofficial Tiva Thread
Mar 13 2009, 8:42 PM EDT | Post edited: Mar 13 2009, 8:42 PM EDT
"I am thinking we might find out more about this at the end of the season. Shane Brennan did say a few weeks back that we would find out something about Tony's current love life on the upcoming episode and then more about his past during the final story arc for the season. Maybe at least why he's so afraid of commitment.

And don't forget, Tony himself, a couple of episodes ago, was wondering if the Melinda who called was the concession stand operator he met while his date went to the bathroom. And in Framed when Weatherly did that great scene in the cell where he was both prosecutor and defendant he says of himself that he has a problem with women and relationships."
I'm thinking we might be finding out more at the end of the season, too. My point, really, was that while he obviously has committment issues, his many dates (and I've always wondered how much of that was just talk) seem to have been single dates with many different women, not sleeping with many other women while in a committed relationship with one woman who believed they were in a committed relationship. It's more like he has made serial monogamy an art form. My other point was that we don't really know much about Tony or know how much his offhand comments about his family and his past are true. He has issues, no doubt. But a lot of people do.
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le_bibliothecaire
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125. RE: The Official/Unofficial Tiva Thread
Mar 13 2009, 8:54 PM EDT | Post edited: Mar 13 2009, 8:54 PM EDT
"No, the other woman is not just as guilty. If the guy is in a committed relationship with you then he needs to keep his pants zipped no matter how tantalizing the bait offered is. That''s part of his commitment social contract.

She is guilty yes but she's not in the relationship with you. She has no commitment to you."
Hmm. Guess I respectfully disagree. Either that or I'm misunderstanding you. What I'm saying is that I would not want to be with someone if I found out that they were married or otherwise supposedly committed to another person. I would not consider that acceptable behavior of myself, knowing that I was knowingly playing a part in someone else's lie. I would not want to be the "other woman."
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mewofford
126. RE: The Official/Unofficial Tiva Thread
Mar 13 2009, 10:44 PM EDT | Post edited: Mar 13 2009, 10:44 PM EDT
I'm not sure we can call it serial monogamy since most of the relationships he has mentioned, or his teammates have mentioned have not been more than a few dates except for Jeanne and Det. Kemps' wife, but I can sure see where you're coming from and I believe I agree.

DiNozzo, I think, fibs about things all the time with regard to his personal life. Like his killer smile it's a defensive mechanism!
The smile would be enough to distract me.
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mewofford
127. RE: The Official/Unofficial Tiva Thread
Mar 13 2009, 10:47 PM EDT | Post edited: Mar 13 2009, 10:47 PM EDT
That is because you are an honorable person.

I guess what I'm trying to say, rather badly, is that it is a matter of degree.
If you are involved in a romantic, committed relationship with a man, it is your trust he betrays when he strays. The woman he betrays you with is secondary in the relationship, means to an end, so to speak.
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manitilde
128. RE: The Official/Unofficial Tiva Thread
May 7 2009, 1:01 AM EDT | Post edited: May 7 2009, 1:01 AM EDT
Here's the thing about Tiva; no matter the outcome, it they will not have a fairytale ending. There will be no "Happily ever after" and I think that's what appeals to me for this couple. It's not the cliched opposites attract, or the whole I hate, but really, love you thing. It is two distinct people, who, for whatever reason, have issues with love and have grown comfortable with each other. The are friends who trust each other with their lives, if not their hearts. They care about each other, even when they fight and hide from each other. It's an inexplicable bond and I think that that is why we have not completely gone crazy from waiting these four years, because we can appreciate the friendship they share and the connection they have. From day one, they have been special, and even throughout Jeanne, they had something, but. But it has been years, and if Ziva is done playing the game, if she is done dancing the "dangerous dance" than I, for one, am not going to dispute that. Now, while I'm not saying that I don't want them together, because I sincerely do, I think that whatever happens now, whatever they throw at us has to be right for them. Hey, I got over the whole totally not Harry/Hermione thing, I can live through this...


This has been a look at fictional romances, by a sixteen year old. Thank you and goodnight.
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mewofford
129. RE: The Official/Unofficial Tiva Thread
May 7 2009, 9:05 AM EDT | Post edited: May 7 2009, 9:05 AM EDT
"Here's the thing about Tiva; no matter the outcome, it they will not have a fairytale ending. There will be no "Happily ever after" and I think that's what appeals to me for this couple. It's not the cliched opposites attract, or the whole I hate, but really, love you thing. It is two distinct people, who, for whatever reason, have issues with love and have grown comfortable with each other. The are friends who trust each other with their lives, if not their hearts. They care about each other, even when they fight and hide from each other. It's an inexplicable bond and I think that that is why we have not completely gone crazy from waiting these four years, because we can appreciate the friendship they share and the connection they have. From day one, they have been special, and even throughout Jeanne, they had something, but. But it has been years, and if Ziva is done playing the game, if she is done dancing the "dangerous dance" than I, for one, am not going to dispute that. Now, while I'm not saying that I don't want them together, because I sincerely do, I think that whatever happens now, whatever they throw at us has to be right for them. Hey, I got over the whole totally not Harry/Hermione thing, I can live through this...


This has been a look at fictional romances, by a sixteen year old. Thank you and goodnight."
Pretty good analysis for a 16-year-old. Puts me to shame.

But to bring my points back up I knew Harry and Hermione would never get together. It always had to be Ron and Hermione.
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manitilde
130. RE: The Official/Unofficial Tiva Thread
May 7 2009, 9:13 PM EDT | Post edited: May 7 2009, 9:13 PM EDT
"Pretty good analysis for a 16-year-old. Puts me to shame.

But to bring my points back up I knew Harry and Hermione would never get together. It always had to be Ron and Hermione."
Ah, well, I'm sure your wrong about that, but thank you nonetheless.

yeah, well, I knew too, but I think the whole Ron/Hermione Hate/Love thing was unrealistic, but I'm not here to talk about that.
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mewofford
131. RE: The Official/Unofficial Tiva Thread
May 7 2009, 11:42 PM EDT | Post edited: May 7 2009, 11:42 PM EDT
"Ah, well, I'm sure your wrong about that, but thank you nonetheless.

yeah, well, I knew too, but I think the whole Ron/Hermione Hate/Love thing was unrealistic, but I'm not here to talk about that.
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I know good analysis when I see it even if I can't do it!!!
So there!!

Ok. No Harry Potter talk on the NCIS board.
sigh...
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tivafan93
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132. RE: The Official/Unofficial Tiva Thread
Oct 2 2009, 11:15 AM EDT | Post edited: Oct 2 2009, 11:15 AM EDT
"Do you think these two are the hottest couple on NCIS? Would you love to see them together?

Or do you think Tony's like this around every woman, they are nothing more thatn friends and having them really together would need you to have a barf bag every time NCIS came on?

Since discussions about Tony/ziva have been all over the episode and show spoiler threads, I thought they deserved their own thread!

You can hate it, love it, whatever, but please no flaming other memebers, 'cause I don't wanna have a problem with the mods.


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I totally agree that these two are the hottest couple on NCIS!!!! They belong together and they should totally hook up. IT would make this whole series ten times better than it already is, every time they get closer the show gets more interesting!!!! I cant wait to see what happens this season. THEY WOULD BE SO CUTE TOGETHER!!!! NO DOUBT ABOUT IT!! So i have to say that i L-O-V-E LOVE IT!!!! And they totally deserve their own thread. if i new how to make a website i would devote the site to TIVA!
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rosecake
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133. RE: The Official/Unofficial Tiva Thread
Oct 3 2009, 6:42 AM EDT | Post edited: Oct 3 2009, 6:42 AM EDT
Is there someone who has read the Michael Weatherly interview on a italian tv magazine some weeks ago ?! Well , I did it . He said they were thinking to make Tony grow up , and they were thinking it's the time to give him the responsability as a father ... I don't believe it will happen . I think he was joking , but ... who knows ?! I wonder , who could be the mother ?!
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134. RE: The Official/Unofficial Tiva Thread
Oct 6 2009, 6:25 AM EDT | Post edited: Oct 6 2009, 6:25 AM EDT
I really hope Tony doesn't become a dad...yeah no. But I like the idea of Tiva, but after seeing what happened to other shows, I'm a little wary. I hope the writers can somehow make it work while keeping everything about NCIS. If they can't, they should stick to the UST I like it. Do you find this valuable?    
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